Untold Medicine: Interview with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt: Blending Ancient Wisdom with Modern Healing for Chronic Illness Mastery
Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD, is a world renowned medical physician who early in his career became interested in the sequelae of chronic toxicity (especially lead, mercury, environmental pollutants & electromagnetic fields) and their correlation to chronic illness.
Dr. Klinghardt is internationally recognized for his biological medicine approaches and successful treatment of neurological illness, chronic pain, Autism, Lyme disease, and techniques to combining non-surgical orthopedic medicine with immunology, endocrinology, toxicology and neural therapy. He is the founder and Medical Director of the Sophia Health Institute near Seattle in the USA, as well as founder and chair of the Institute of Neurobiology Klinghardt in Glotteral/Germany. Dr. Klinghardt has authored groundbreaking textbooks and publications, and created Autonomic Response Testing and the Five Levels of Healing.
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Key Moments
0: 05 Exploring Chronic Illness with Dr. Klinghardt
8: 45 Five Levels of Healing in Medicine
25:28 Manual Muscle Testing and Autonomic Response
33: 36 Seven Factors of Nervous System Dysfunction
45: 10 Unique Treatment Approaches in Healthcare
56: 15 Managing Electromagnetic Field Exposures
1:03:40 Cell Protection from Wi-Fi Radiation
In a profound conversation with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, we are introduced to the intricate blend of ancient wisdom and modern healing techniques, aimed at mastering chronic illnesses. Dr. Klinghardt, with his rich background in both German and Indian medical traditions, offers a unique perspective on treating conditions that have often eluded conventional medical solutions.
The podcast delves into Dr. Klinghardt's holistic and integrative approach, which has seen success in treating complex conditions like Lyme disease and autism. His methods are not static; they have evolved with the times, adapting to new health challenges brought about by the pandemic. This adaptability has made Dr. Klinghardt a guiding light for many suffering from post-COVID complications.
We then explore the Five Levels of Healing, a concept that goes beyond the physical manifestations of disease. Dr. Klinghardt’s framework encompasses everything from tangible physical symptoms to the intangible, such as ancestral traumas, emphasizing the importance of a treatment plan that heals the entire being. This approach challenges the norm of quick, test-based diagnostics, paving the way for a more personalized and thorough care system.
One of the highlights of the conversation is the introduction of Autonomic Response Testing (ART), which is a significant departure from conventional diagnostics. ART enables practitioners to assess and address the health issues of patients on a more personalized level, factoring in the complexity of each individual's condition. This methodology is not only about treating diseases but also about equipping fellow practitioners with these life-altering practices.
In today's digitally dominated world, Dr. Klinghardt does not shy away from addressing the health impacts of our environment, especially electromagnetic fields. He offers practical advice on how to mitigate these effects, ranging from turning off Wi-Fi routers at night to considering protective clothing. The discussion also brings to light natural remedies like rosemary and propolis tinctures, which Dr. Klinghardt suggests can defend against Wi-Fi radiation.
The podcast takes a deep dive into the Seven Factors of Nervous System Dysfunction, where Dr. Klinghardt outlines the common factors that impede the healthy functioning of the nervous system. From the impact of infections and toxins to the role of structural issues in overall well-being, each factor is interconnected, and understanding them is crucial for effective healing.
The episode concludes with a detailed look at the unique treatment approaches employed at the Sophia Health Institute, where individualized patient care is paramount. Dr. Klinghardt discusses the significance of not overwhelming patients with tests but rather relying on a meticulous diagnostic process. He shares his expertise in neural therapy, immunotherapy, and the importance of proper vitamin administration, all of which contribute to his comprehensive healing strategy.
In sum, this podcast episode with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt serves as a testament to the power of integrative medicine. It is a treasure trove of knowledge for anyone interested in holistic health, providing valuable insights into protecting our well-being in an ever-evolving health landscape.
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00:40 Welcome, everyone.
00:42 Today we have Dr.
00:43 Klinghardt, and I'm so excited to have him.
00:46 Welcome, Dr.Klinghardt.
00:48 Good morning, Michele.
00:52 So, Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD, is a world renowned medical
00:56 physician who early in his career, became interested
00:59 in the sequelae of chronic toxicity, especially lead,
01:04 mercury, environmental, pollutants and electromagnetic fields and their
01:08 correlation to chronic illness.
01:11 Dr. Klinghardt is internationally recognized for his
01:13 biological medicine approaches and successful treatments
01:17 of neurological illness, chronic pain, Autism,
01:21 Lyme disease, and techniques to combine
01:25 non surgical orthopedic medicine with immunology,
01:28 endocrinology, toxicology and neurotherapy.
01:32He is the founder and medical director of the
01:34Sophia Health Institute near Seattle in the United States,
01:38as well as the founder and chair of the
01:39Institute of Neurobiology, Dr. in Germany. Dr. Klinghardt
01:43Klinghardt has authored groundbreaking textbooks and
01:46publications and created autonomic response testing
01:50and the five levels of.
01:52Oh, that's quite impressive.
01:56It was pretty good.
01:59So to kind of, to start, can you tell us
02:02a little bit about your background and why you
02:05focus on chronic illness in your practice today?
02:09Yeah, I mean, it's pretty simple.
02:11I mean, I grew up in Germany
02:13and went to medical school there.
02:15And at the time, there was still a
02:17time before the big separation between integrative medicine
02:21or alternative medicine and conventional medicine.
02:24It was one thing.
02:25So we still had courses in herbal medicine.
02:29We had obligatory courses
02:32in homeopathy and acupuncture.
02:34And so when we graduated, we
02:36were actually tested on those subjects.
02:38So we had to have a good working knowledge of all that.
02:41And then really after medical school, I did my residency,
02:47and doing the residency, I had the chance to at
02:50the same time study psychology and got a degree in
02:54that also, and then worked on my PhD, which was
03:01major work that took three years on how the autonomic
03:06nervous system, the vascular system, and the immune system are
03:10correlated with each other.
03:12So that was sort of my starting point.
03:16And then I worked in India for three years,
03:19which was some of my internship in medicine I
03:22actually did in a hospital in India.
03:25And then I got in touch with
03:28Dr. Vasant Lad, who was down the road, our little
03:31Ayurvedic doctor, who later on we moved to
03:34America, and he became famous here.
03:37So they had a pretty good
03:39working knowledge of Ayurvedic medicine.
03:41And then coming over here, I was kind of
03:45shocked that acupuncture, at least at the time in
03:48the early eighties was hardly known.
03:51And homeopathy, even though it has a huge
03:55history in America, was virtually murdered by the
04:02medical history that we all know.
04:04And so I sort of brought some of my German
04:10upbringing and what I've experienced over here and then put
04:16those things together also had, I have to say, like
04:19a very decisive six months in England with James Cyriax,
04:25who was sort of the inventor of orthopedic medicine.
04:29That's a non surgical way of
04:31treating orthopedic conditions, which largely involved
04:35prolotherapy and different injection techniques.
04:39And then when I came over here,
04:41I was first very much involved with
04:44prolotherapy and treating orthopedic conditions.
04:47And whenever that was successful with the
04:51patient, the same patient thought I was
04:54special and brought their mother with cancer
04:56and brought their children with autism.
04:58And through that, I sort of just took a
05:02natural evolution and becoming sort of the receiving basket
05:10for patients that didn't find help elsewhere.
05:15And that happens to be
05:17mostly people with chronic illness.
05:20And then sort of very quickly, by the
05:22end of the already pretty knowledgeable about Lyme
05:28disease and the first treatments that were available
05:34and explored that quite deeply.
05:36And so I think sort of by the mid
05:3990's, had already developed alternative biological approaches to treat
05:44Lyme disease, which made me popular in some circles
05:47and very unpopular in other circles.
05:51And that's why I sometimes say I'm the last
05:53standing naturopath in Seattle, because the whole Bastyr
05:58university and all the students have gone the way
06:01treating it with antibiotics and with hard medical drugs,
06:05whereas even though I have prescription pad available, I
06:09went the other way, treating things differently.
06:12And since that, on the long run, was far more
06:15effective, I sort of became almost like the victim of
06:20all the chronic patients in the US that found, many
06:24of whom found their way to me.
06:26And so it kind of was the
06:28natural evolution for that sort of.
06:32And it wasn't that I had a particular passion for
06:35chronic illness, it just ended up being that way.
06:38And then during the COVID years, it kind of pretty
06:44much fortified my knowledge and my opinions about using the
06:50prior knowledge to deal with the situation, which helped us
06:54really guide a lot of people through the crisis without
06:59ending up on the respirator or in the coffin.
07:06Now, post Covid, we're facing the issue that people
07:12have a flare up of all their chronic illnesses,
07:16and so basically learned any chronic illness we need
07:20to treat now, or cancer or autoimmune disease, we
07:23have to include the treatment of COVID with it.
07:28And that has worked out really well.
07:31Right.
07:32That's a pretty impressive background with a lot
07:34of different variables that you can combine, really.
07:39During this time, I was listening to your background on
07:44a different video, and you were discussing kind of your
07:47upbringing exposed to Lyme disease kind of in a certain
07:51region, and how so many people had it.
07:53And so it seemed like all these
07:55different things came into your life path
07:58to definitely have you specialize in.
08:03You know, I think it's for everybody is their
08:05own experience becomes the formative thing in their life.
08:11Yeah.
08:12The area in Germany where I grew up
08:14has turned out to be the mother bed
08:16of Babesia, Bartonella and Borrelia in Europe.
08:21And however, I have to say that the
08:24european form of Lyme disease turns out to
08:27be much easier treatable than the American version,
08:32which clearly has manmade characteristics built into it.
08:37That makes it so much more vicious.
08:41Yeah, that definitely makes it difficult, too.
08:45So tell us a little bit more about your five levels
08:48of healing, like how you developed it and really where you
08:52got your inspiration to develop it and utilize that.
08:57Yeah, I mean, of course, through my years in India,
09:03which was the reason why I was there for some
09:07very deep spiritual experiences, to experience healing on a very
09:11different level than what we experience here.
09:15And then in the years I studied psychology, I
09:18saw the limits and the beauty of psychotherapy.
09:22And then very early on in my practice, which was in
09:27Santa Fe, New Mexico, by the way, for a while, we
09:31were the second largest pain center in the country.
09:35Seattle was at the university.
09:38Dr. Bonica was a big guru of pain
09:40management, but had a clinic there.
09:43But at the time, pain management wasn't
09:47on the map of American physicians.
09:49And me and a brilliant osteopathic physician,
09:53Dr. James Baum, in Santa Fe, established
09:56the Santa Fe Pain center.
09:58And we had our own radiologist.
10:00We had access to surgery to be
10:04doing quite invasive things with pain management.
10:07So we learned our way around that.
10:12But the main discovery, since I was Lyme literate,
10:19by the time we got very deeply into pain
10:22management, we realized that many chronic pain syndromes had
10:26everything to do with chronic infections.
10:29That link between chronic pain and chronic
10:33illness and chronic infections has to become
10:38hugely documented now in the literature.
10:41But we kind of were early on with that.
10:45And then, of course, taking a deep dive
10:48into that, we realized that infections only grow
10:52in contaminated body terrains, and that's usually the
10:56heavy metals that play a huge role there.
10:59And then the question came up, why does not
11:01everybody with the same burden get the same illness?
11:04And then we realized, okay, there
11:06was more to the human condition.
11:08And then we explored what's now called the
11:11energy body, which is all the phenomena of
11:15physics that happen in our body.
11:17The emission of biophotons from the cells of
11:21electric impulses, the microcircuits that happen in the
11:25brain that you can actually diagnose and treat
11:29on that level as well.
11:30And this is sort of where acupuncture comes in.
11:34The work with infrared light and sauna therapy and magnetic
11:38fields and microcurrent, which now sort of is slowly
11:43making its impact in even in conventional circles.
11:48And then we realized that wasn't it sort of
11:51that when people had early trauma history in life,
11:56that the outcome of things that would work on
11:59everybody else would not be so good.
12:02And that we actually had to go to
12:05the level of psychology to address the early
12:09trauma and resolve, help the patient resolve that.
12:13And so I was actually the first one in the US
12:17to use an eye movement technique that later on through
12:23Mrs. Shapiro became famous under the name EMDR.
12:26But we were using that technique way before
12:31and then realized, okay, well, that was the
12:33key to a lot of illnesses.
12:35And then, however, it didn't stop there.
12:38And then, still looking at the treatment failures, we
12:43realized that the trauma that is affecting the health
12:48of people can actually be the trauma that happened
12:53in the family and the generations before.
12:56The patient lived to their parents,
12:59their grandparents, their great grandparents.
13:01And we started to explore the realm of
13:06what's in psychology called now transpersonal psychology.
13:10But these are influences on our health
13:13that are beyond our own life.
13:15That didn't start with conception until now, the
13:18influence, but it actually goes much further back.
13:21And so to put that in a
13:26framework, I remembered my teachings that I
13:32received in India, the teachings of Patanjali.
13:36He is the guy who probably 5000
13:40years ago, nobody knows, created yoga.
13:45Yoga was meant to be a technique to cleanse the body
13:50in a way that you can connect with the divine easier.
13:56The recognition that a toxic, contaminated body, you cannot
14:03pray, you cannot connect to the divine, the divine
14:06cannot connect to you, that you sort of like
14:09your body vibrations are on a whole different level
14:14that has nothing to do with the higher levels.
14:17And so basically the sequence that
14:22evolved is then there is this
14:25thing in philosophy called downward causation.
14:29That means if you have a trauma on
14:31a higher level, let's say your parents were
14:37Holocaust victims, somehow one of them survived it.
14:43You gave life.
14:44And then your parents or grandparents are hoping to
14:48leave that behind and you're now living a life.
14:51But you spent your whole life in fear.
14:54And eventually fear will eventually affect the kidneys.
14:59And then sort of.
15:00And you may present to the physician with the
15:04cadmium overload in the kidneys and beginning kidney failure.
15:08And so then, yes, you can detox cadmium and that
15:12may help for the moment, and this is an ongoing
15:15job anyway, to get cadmium out of the kidneys.
15:18But you can do that, and the patient will
15:21improve as long as they stay on treatment.
15:24But if you can go back and resolve it on the
15:27level where actually the origin was, to heal the people that
15:32died in the Holocaust and to heal the people that emerged
15:37from it alive, a few of them, and the people that
15:41were traumatized because of our family members.
15:44And you go there with the healing.
15:46Then suddenly there's this trickle down effect that we
15:48call downward causation, that heals on all levels.
15:53And it's, of course, very cost effective for the
15:56patient because you do one treatment, and over a
15:59few weeks or months afterwards, everything cleans itself up.
16:03You stop retaining metals.
16:06Your immune system wakes up and deals with the
16:08infections, and your energy body straightens out your chakras,
16:13open up your meridians, open up, your autonomic nervous
16:16system becomes functional, your mind gets clear, you stop
16:21having anxiety, so you sleep better at night with
16:25all the consequences of that.
16:27And it's very profound.
16:28So we call that the five levels of healing.
16:31That's when a patient comes to us.
16:34We try to make an assessment that
16:36not only applies to the physical body
16:39by doing the regular functional medicine stuff.
16:42It's nice or good, but it's not complete.
16:45And then I've developed a technique, the ART, the
16:50autonomic response testing, that allows us to beyond the
16:58lab work to test the energy body.
17:00That's primarily what we do.
17:02But then we can, once we clean that up, we
17:05very easily stumble into what we call the mental body.
17:09That's the realm of psychology, and find
17:13all sorts of issues there, traumatic events,
17:17unresolved conflicts that we deal with quickly
17:20and easily without complicating it.
17:23And then that may open up
17:26the access to the fourth level.
17:28Suddenly we see big issues raining down from above.
17:35And then, yes, there is the fifth level.
17:37It's that sort of connection, the individual connection
17:41that the patient has with the divine.
17:44And I do not interfere with that.
17:47That is private to the patient
17:48and should not be messed with.
17:51Like some gurus try and some psychotherapists
17:56try, and some regular people try.
17:59That is not to be messed with.
18:01So that's pretty much it.
18:03So we have these five levels, and they're
18:05all interactive with each other, of course.
18:08And illnesses can be caused on
18:13each one of the five levels.
18:15And it's a wrong assumption that somebody has back pain, that
18:21it's just the pressure of the disc on a nerve.
18:24And when you remove the disc, everything will be fine.
18:27Well, it may be, and it may be for
18:30a while or the pain moves somewhere else.
18:33And it's best to use a method of
18:39diagnosing that looks at all the levels and
18:45accommodates treatment that address all of the issues.
18:53Of course, as a physician, you have a limited time
18:56in a particular visit, and it's always good to start
19:01on the physical level and work your way up, but
19:04not to linger on the physical level forever like most
19:07people, even after two years of taking vitamins and supplements
19:13and herbs, that kind of thing.
19:14Well, I just need to find the right
19:16combination of vitamins, and I will get well.
19:19So they keep looking and looking and looking
19:20and spending more and more money on very,
19:23very sophisticated, ever increasing, delicate blood tests and
19:30breath tests and urine tests and skin tests
19:33and x rays and ultrasound and imaging techniques.
19:39And now the whole body MRI is now popular.
19:42And yes, it gives us all valuable information,
19:46but it pretty much shows the outcome of
19:51something deeper that has happened in the patient.
19:53And most chronic illness has components that go
19:56all the way up to the fourth level.
20:01Right?
20:01Yeah, I completely agree with you.
20:04And you're really like a pioneer
20:06in the mind body medicine field.
20:09And you combined a lot of different elements, especially
20:12taking the ancient Vedic culture and the beliefs there
20:18and really combining it with the medicine.
20:20To me, there is no question that all of those things
20:23are deeply tied in, and that's the real way to heal.
20:28Well, you've kind of already answered this question,
20:29but I'll ask you it just if you
20:31have other thoughts, is what's your personal view
20:33on how emotions affect the body?
20:38Emotions are complex event, sort of.
20:41On a physical level, you can explain
20:44emotions with the mix of neurotransmitters that
20:48have been excreted into the bloodstream by
20:51the autonomic nervous system, usually.
20:53And the effect on the brain, the subjective
20:58effect, is the particular set of feelings.
21:01But you can also look at it on the second level.
21:04It's the activation of certain aspects of
21:08the autonomic nervous system, highly involved.
21:10Now, we know from beautiful researches on this level
21:16that the vagus nerve, which is sort of, kind
21:20of half the autonomic nervous system, that the vagus
21:23nerve is highly involved with that.
21:25And there's changes that, electrochemical changes
21:28that can be measured now.
21:30So when you have emotions, you can do the
21:32heart rate variability and other tests to look at
21:37it on this level, or the psychologist will look
21:40at it on the third level and look at
21:43more what triggered the emotion and deal with that.
21:49And so emotions are complex, but they're typically
21:53triggered by perceptions through the sensory organs.
21:58That's a second level issue in our system.
22:02And that triggers then a storm of events
22:05that is affecting the brain, how it behaves,
22:09what it perceives, how it filters things.
22:11And then you get this excretion of neurotransmitters
22:15in the bloodstream there, and then reverse stream
22:18through the brain and change your brain chemistry.
22:21So it's a wild thing.
22:23Emotions are really a wild thing.
22:24And I think I'm suspecting if there's other planets and
22:29other beings out there, that they don't have that.
22:33I think it's a unique thing to us
22:35humans and makes us very human and precious.
22:39It's a beautiful feedback system that we have.
22:45If somebody is in an emotion, whether it's anger or
22:48sadness or whatever it is, usually we can recognize it
22:52in their face, which is the vagus nerve expressing itself
22:56in that way through the autonomic ganglia and the innovation
23:01of the faces, which is different from the innovation of
23:05your shoulders and your belly muscles.
23:10Emotions are a beautiful, complex thing, but
23:13usually they're secondary to something else.
23:16And sort of, we kind of looking at that.
23:19The way emotions really go is
23:21like you have a perception.
23:23You see something, you hear something, and then
23:26it goes to the filter of your beliefs.
23:29Prior experiences, gets filtered out, and then leads
23:32to the feeling, and then that then determines
23:38your choices and your actions that follow.
23:41And so emotions have an important
23:43role in all of that, right? Yeah.
23:47And I think you explained it really well,
23:50because it's all about the perception and the
23:52beliefs, too, of how the emotions are expressed.
23:54And so getting to the root of that and finding
23:57the truth of the experience and removing all the limited
24:03beliefs and the associations and everything that's attached to it,
24:08and then causes the responses in the body.
24:12Moving on to the next question.
24:14You have developed a method
24:16called the autonomic response testing.
24:19So really, what is that technique?
24:21And how do you use this
24:23technique in your clinical practice?
24:28So, by the way, I'm just going back to the last one.
24:30I forgot an important piece.
24:32So there's a German, wonderful brain researcher,
24:36a professor somewhere, who really made the
24:41point and proved the point that Covid
24:44was a targeted attack on the hippocampus.
24:50That's the structure in the brain next to the amygdala.
24:53Both those structures are highly involved, how
24:56we feel and what we feel.
24:58And that is sort of, like now greatly under attack
25:03and changes on a very deep level who we are.
25:07But this is sort of, like, just
25:08a little finishing note on emotions.
25:11And so autonomic response testing, of course, is
25:14the outcome of a lot of learnings. For me.
25:21It started in Germany, learning electroacupuncture.
25:26According to
25:27Dr. Voll, some of the listeners may
25:31have had treatment with know where.
25:33You either measure the current flow through acupuncture points
25:38in the hand, and then there's a machine that
25:41then puts frequencies into the system and see which
25:44ones correct the readings that you're getting.
25:48That was developed by Dr. Voll, and
25:50Dr. Voll happened to be my family physician when I grew up.
25:53So I kind of thought that was medicine
25:56to actually use electrodermal testing, as it's called
26:00now, electrodermal screening, EDS, that that was the
26:05real medicine, the real diagnostic method.
26:07I was surprised when I went
26:08to medical school, where is it?
26:11Nobody was teaching it, and if they were aware of
26:14it, they were poo pooing it and so on.
26:17However, it got our family through very hard times.
26:24And so that was my beginning, and sort of.
26:27And then I was very good at
26:29it and then moved to America.
26:31And the first thing that happened within really, like, three
26:34or four months of starting my medical practice at the
26:37time in Santa Fe, the medical board sent its soldiers
26:43to my clinic, and they arrested that instrument.
26:46So I was without instrument.
26:48And so I had to then decide, based on
26:54my understanding, this was all the testing that Dr.
26:58Voll developed was all related to changes in the
27:02autonomic nervous system, which were, as it turns out,
27:06through the research of Candace Pert, who actually got
27:09a Nobel prize for it, actually turns out that
27:11the autonomic nervous system is in control of the
27:18white blood cells of the immune system.
27:21That is often forgotten.
27:23We always talk about the immune system and
27:25the different cells and the monocytes and what
27:27they're all doing, but they all have receptors
27:32in the cell wall that receives messages spilled
27:35into the blood by the autonomic nervous system.
27:37And so I was aware of that from
27:40my own thesis, from my own research.
27:43And so I was looking for other
27:45techniques to assess the autonomic nervous system.
27:48And so the first thing I came across, of
27:51course, in the US was applied kinesiology with Dr.
27:56Goodheart.
27:56So I took the so called 100 hours training
27:59in that, who became pretty proficient in using that.
28:03And then I realized the mistakes that were in it.
28:06And I was looking for other techniques, and I
28:09found the professor, Yoshiaki Omura in New York,
28:14who was a brilliant Japanese researcher who developed a
28:19different way of manual muscle testing using the finger
28:24muscles, the muscles that make a ring between the
28:26fingers and they are prying them apart.
28:29And if there's stress in the autonomic
28:32nervous system, it weakens the ring.
28:34And if the autonomic nervous system signals a healing
28:37response to something, it strengthens the O-ring test.
28:41That was a test that was closer to my heart.
28:44And so I developed that.
28:47And then gradually, over time, merged the techniques and
28:52the knowledge I had about that, and that evolved
28:55into the autonomic response testing, which my humble opinion
29:01is clearly currently the best way of manual testing
29:06that is superior to the AK and is superior
29:10to the O-ring test alone and superior to electroacupuncture.
29:17With the ART test, we've been able
29:20to develop treatments for Lyme disease that
29:24are non-toxic, purely biological, that work.
29:27And the literature is always following the literature.
29:32The emerging medicine supports what we found.
29:36We found solutions for Epstein Barr, we found solutions
29:41for all the pain related issues that are very
29:46profound, that go quite a number of levels deeper
29:51than what other techniques have brought to light.
29:55And so that's really all I can say.
29:58And so when we do the testing, it looks
30:01pretty much like a mix of kinesiology and O-ring
30:06testing, both as part of the technique, and it's
30:12a technique that is not depending on me.
30:16So I've taught virtually
30:18thousands of students worldwide.
30:20The largest contingent of very proficient practitioners
30:26are in Australia, New Zealand and India.
30:31There is a huge group of practitioners in Europe,
30:36Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and then now it's also swept
30:40into Russia and into the eastern european countries.
30:43And so it's around.
30:46It's just in the US, there is even old
30:51friends that aren't functional medicine, sort of, because there
30:55is a slow learning curve to it.
30:58It's not a popular technique in the US.
31:00Everything has to be like McDonald's kind of drive by.
31:04You learn one technique for one day,
31:06and then that's what you use.
31:08And this takes a bit longer.
31:11And so it doesn't have the popularity
31:14in the US that it deserves.
31:17But the current times are not supporting long
31:24learning curves, supporting the quick and easy.
31:28And so, of course, ordering a lab test
31:31requires stroke of a pen, and you don't
31:34have to learn any particular thing with that.
31:39You know how it is right now.
31:41People spend thousands of dollars in lab tests,
31:44and then the outcome is always predictable, that
31:47you're trying to fix the patient's condition with
31:50giving a particular group of supplements or herbs
31:55or medicines, and then hoping for the best.
31:58And if it's not working, or working just a
32:02little bit, then you try more lab testing and
32:08you go forth and back and eventually probably have
32:13the best protocol that's possible on the physical level,
32:16but the patient still isn't all the way.
32:23Right.
32:23No, I completely agree with you on that, too.
32:26I think especially in the US, it's moved to
32:28physical tests and you lose that connection with the
32:31patient and seeing them and feeling them and having
32:34them be exposed to different therapies.
32:37So it's really gone a different way.
32:39But I think this podcast and bringing that information
32:42out there, I think there are physicians that want
32:45to bring that back, that element, and combine it
32:49all in a different way, too.
32:52I'm thankful you're teaching that to
32:53physicians and practitioners.
33:00I do have a team of doctors with
33:03me at the Sophia Health Institute in Woodinville
33:06which is the suburb of Seattle.
33:08We do have a team of practitioners, are very
33:10good with it, and are equally following what we've
33:15learned and are equally proficient in doing it.
33:19Yeah, and that's great.
33:21You can offer it there, too.
33:23I think that people come pretty much
33:25from all over the world, right.
33:26To go to your clinic in
33:29Woodinville, in the Seattle area, to.
33:31To have those treatments and
33:33to have that unique experience.
33:36Yeah.
33:38So the next question I have for you is,
33:41what are the seven most common factors that block
33:46or stress the healthy functioning of the nervous system?
33:51Yeah, this has been years in the making, actually just
33:56published a book on that, the seven factors of healing.
34:00Now, let me see if I can get them together.
34:05So, on the physical level, it's mostly
34:09infections and toxins that are affecting people.
34:16But infections also exert their effect on
34:20the human body by either secreting viral
34:23toxins or by arousing the immune system.
34:27And the immune system creates all the symptoms.
34:30So that's one factor.
34:33And then one of the big
34:35overlooked ones is the structure.
34:38When people have lost teeth or have a poor
34:41bite, we know now with all the research, there's
34:44a huge effect on the brain, on acetylcholine production,
34:48on brain fog and memory problems and all the
34:51things that people complain about.
34:52Now, nobody looks at the structure, so we are
34:58very busy in sending people to have the teeth
35:04worked on you in different ways to get.
35:07It's clear from the research that people, when
35:12they've lost teeth and get a regular denture,
35:15there's no positive effect on the brain.
35:17But if you get ceramic implants and build up
35:22the bite and so the patient can actually chew
35:25properly, that repairs the brain damage from it.
35:31This is so factor number two is the structure
35:35of the body, and then, of course, we know
35:37chiropractic and osteopathy, the fantastic tools to correct things
35:45on this level that will indeed all have effects
35:49on the rest of the body, really primarily through
35:53the autonomic nervous system.
35:56Then there is a thing that's kind of not
35:59well known in the US, is the effect of
36:02what's called interference fields, typically are scars from surgeries.
36:08So scars are different tissue from normal body tissue.
36:16And when we moving, they're building up
36:19a frictional electricity that constantly discharges itself
36:23in the autonomic nervous system and also
36:26in the sensory nervous system.
36:28And then the signal goes to the hypothalamus, and
36:32then a hypothalamus directs the autonomic nervous system and
36:36the signals going from there to particular body part.
36:39And so it's common that a scar from
36:43a C-section causes migraine headaches, or that
36:48appendectomy scar typically causes the growth of fibroids
36:53and other problems in the pelvic area.
36:56And I could give you the scars from the
36:59tonsilectomy very often later in life, cause knee pain.
37:03And so rather than treating the
37:05knee pain, we treat the scars.
37:07And so that treatment is called neural therapy.
37:11And there's actually a great meeting coming up
37:14in Seattle in, I think it's the beginning
37:17of the first week of April.
37:21Jeff Harris is the naturopath in Seattle who
37:26now runs the North American Academy of Neural Therapy.
37:31So it's a wonderful tip for some of you guys
37:36that are actually, I mean, condition is that you're allowed
37:39to inject, and then that's all you need, and then
37:44you get some wonderful, simple tools to help the patient.
37:48Then the other issue on the
37:52second level is the electrosmog.
37:57We know there is a huge growing body
38:00of literature on the effect of wifi.
38:04and household electric fields and geopathic stress.
38:10That is sort of something I can lecture about for days.
38:13But the basic outcome, especially with wifi.,
38:17with a handy radiation, is that it penetrates the body,
38:25and in the cells it causes an opening of
38:28what's called the voltage gated calcium channels, and the
38:32cell gets flooded with calcium and then leads to
38:36a cascade of reaction called the no onoo cycle.
38:39And at the end of that, the cell produces
38:41peroxynitrate which is rocket fuel that is completely
38:46destructive to pretty much everything in the body.
38:50And so it's pretty simple, the knowledge about it.
38:56Marty Pall, Martin Pall, P-a-l-l is the one who
39:00wrote the most beautiful summary papers on this.
39:04And this is something I know
39:07most naturopaths, most medical doctors are
39:11completely underestimating the destructiveness of that.
39:14And of course, we're all bathed in
39:16it 24/7 there's no control group.
39:20Somebody wake and say, hey, look, this person lives in
39:23a part of town where there is no wifi.
39:25But I can give you an example, sort
39:27of the direct impact in the Seattle area.
39:31So for some strange reason, Covid broke loose in
39:36America, in Seattle, and not just in Seattle, but
39:40in a particular part of Seattle called Kirkland.
39:43And Kirkland happened to be the first
39:47place in the US that prided itself.
39:49That was for the first part of the
39:53US where 5G was completely switched on.
39:57It was the very first place.
39:58And just a few months before COVID broke loose.
40:03And then the interesting thing was that then the patients
40:07in old folks homes that got so sick with it,
40:11they happened to live in old folks homes that had
40:14completely newly established, complete 5G access in them.
40:19And then these poor patients that got sick were
40:22brought to one particular hospital that was chosen.
40:26It was Evergreen Hospital in Kirkland, which prided
40:31itself, was the first hospital in the US
40:34that fully had switched on 5G and the death rate
40:38of the people that went there was 60%... 6 0.
40:43That means out of ten patients that
40:45went there, only four came out alive.
40:48And so in the background, unbeknownst to the authorities
40:53and anybody else, I got involved and so informed
40:57the different old folks homes that still had some
41:01alive people and told them, there is another solution.
41:05And so I'm not going to tell you
41:07what that was, but that changed the music
41:11and then the death rate went way down.
41:15But this is sort of like one of
41:18the seven factors is the wifi environment.
41:25Then, of course, we want to give it some credit.
41:29Is the effect of nutritional or micronutrient
41:34deficiencies, which now have become very common.
41:38And the reason is pretty simple.
41:41So when we look at spinach today,
41:45there is no more iron and spinach.
41:48When we look at the overall content of basic
41:55elements in the food, that has dramatically decreased in
42:00the last 60 or 70 years to catastrophic amounts.
42:04So to get enough zinc and iron and
42:08molybdenum and all the other basic elements from
42:13the food is harder and harder.
42:17If people have a disturbed gut, like most people have
42:23now, from whatever the reasons are, but they call it
42:27leaky gut, or SIBO or malabsorption, whatever it is.
42:33But in addition to the food not containing really what
42:38our daily needs are, we are also having trouble absorbing
42:44and extracting from the food what we need.
42:47So, yes, the micronutrients, acids, and all
42:51that have a valuable place, but should
42:56not be considered on their own.
43:00So beyond that of course, we have the
43:04field of psychology that I mentioned that before.
43:09Unresolved trauma is certainly one
43:11of the seven factors.
43:13Unresolved conflict.
43:15Unresolved trauma are constantly decreasing the
43:21patient's vitality and ability to be
43:25resilient towards stresses and have direct
43:30connections to particular subsets of symptoms.
43:33And so it's one of the seven
43:36factors that we always look at.
43:39And then one already mentioned is the
43:43higher psychological issues that have to do
43:48with past family issues, conflict, traumata.
43:53And of course, on this level, there is also
43:59the more darker side of the spiritual world that,
44:03I don't want to talk about it here.
44:05It's not the appropriate thing.
44:07But there is other forces that influence us
44:11that can greatly contribute to medical illness.
44:17And there certainly is a room for prayer
44:19and for meditation and for the softer techniques.
44:23I'm pretty sure I've forgotten one
44:26or two of the factors.
44:28I don't have the list here in front
44:31of me, but I think that's pretty complete.
44:34So we try to understand that there
44:36is only seven possible causes of illness.
44:40It's just not like the whole world
44:42of possibilities that makes us sick.
44:45It can really be subdivided in seven issues.
44:48Each of them have their own diagnostic approaches, and
44:53each of them has their own treatment approaches.
44:55And when they're appropriately used, treatments tend to be
44:59gentle, they tend to be biological, they tend to
45:03be inexpensive, and they tend to be available everywhere.
45:10And you said you just wrote a
45:12book on the seven factors as well.
45:16It's like all my books in German.
45:21It's interesting.
45:21After all these years, we haven't found any publishers interested
45:25in my work, and so I'm relaxed with that.
45:30I'm not pushing myself like other people do.
45:35And I'm not a clever marketing person, sort
45:39of, that has some ideas and then puts
45:44them together with all the knowledge that's out
45:46there and puts a clever book together.
45:48Other people are doing good jobs with that.
45:51And I don't want to diminish that.
45:54It's important that people put the
45:56current knowledge that's out there together.
45:58But I do that in Germany,
46:01where I'm very popular with that.
46:03And so with that I go where I'm asked to go. Right.
46:09And this is a great way to
46:10bring it to the people here, too.
46:12If we can't read the book or if
46:14it's in German, it's good to understand and
46:17understand all the factors too involved in it.
46:20Yeah, I do want to say I've set up
46:23my practice in Woodinville in a way that we're
46:28addressing all those issues very deliberately with our patients.
46:34And so, of course, I've distributed some of
46:38the chores to some of the other physicians.
46:41We have a very gifted person
46:44working with the psychological aspect.
46:46That's Deborah L’Estrange, but we
46:50have our own subspecialists.
46:52So each of the seven levels.
46:54Of course, it's not for everybody to do everything.
46:58That was my job for many years, and so now
47:01I'm trying to do just what I love doing on
47:07a particular day and then delegate the other things to
47:10the people that work close with me. Right.
47:14And so tell us a little bit more about that.
47:16What are some of the unique modalities that you use to
47:19treat patients at the Sophia Health Institute in the US?
47:24So, first of all, it's my diagnostic workup.
47:29Yes, I look at the lab work, I
47:31look at the big markers, but I don't
47:33have this patient spend thousands of dollars initially.
47:37Occasionally, we may have to go there, but
47:42basically, I do my ART exam and go
47:45very carefully through the seven factors.
47:48And so, for example, to detect the effect of
47:56the wifi on a patient, we have a particular
48:02subset of tests that focuses on the pineal gland,
48:06which is most sensitive organ in the body, to
48:09wifi, and then have ways of assessing the home.
48:16So we may send a SWAT team to the homes to look at the.
48:22Take some measurements of the intensity of
48:24radiation that's in the sleeping location and
48:26other places in the home.
48:29So that will be one aspect of it.
48:33One thing I'm very good at, and only one
48:36of a few physicians in the US is doing
48:38neural therapy, which is looking at the scars and
48:42autonomic ganglia and treat them when they're dysfunctional.
48:48For example, I may put
48:50DMPS into the sphenopalatine ganglion.
48:55I may inject ozone into the tonsils.
49:00I may typically use ozone in
49:02many of the joint problems.
49:06I use whenever it's available, Artesunate to treat
49:12cancer and use injectable curcumin and some of
49:18the Spermidine and other things that are available
49:24if you looking for it.
49:28I do a very careful exam of the bite and
49:33typically send people to a dentist who actually can follow
49:39our guidance on that and is willing to do that.
49:44Let me see what else we do.
49:45Yeah, we do the low dose immunotherapy.
49:50That was really an offshoot of homeopathy.
49:54But we'll be testing very
49:55carefully if somebody is affected.
49:58Currently, very many people are affected by Strep.
50:02I know that Pertussis, Whooping Cough is around
50:06very prevalent, but people don't look at that.
50:09And so I may for that
50:13establish an herbal antibiotic protocol.
50:17I may inject ozone, like I said,
50:20in the tonsils and the lymphatics.
50:23I may, yeah, I use acupuncture,
50:30I use many manual techniques.
50:35So I'm kind of known for my neck
50:39treatments for people that had whiplash injuries.
50:42That's complicated and complex manipulation procedure where the joints
50:50and nerves of the neck are numbed temporarily with
50:54Procaine, and then there's a very strong manipulation of
50:59the neck, traction torsion maneuver that has saved many,
51:04many people from chronic neck pain.
51:08Yes, we do intravenous therapies.
51:11We use a lot of intravenous herbal products, but also
51:15the usual ozone and UBI and the nutrients vitamin C
51:23like to use the chance here to say that.
51:26So vitamin C typically arrives in glass bottles
51:30and the glass is made of aluminum silicate.
51:36And so what happens when the company, whether McGuff or
51:40whoever produces them, dissolves the vitamin C and puts it
51:45in a bottle and it sits on the shelf for
51:47a few months and it comes to you?
51:49The vitamin C actually leaches out aluminum.
51:52And so most of the supplies of injectable
51:58vitamin C that arrive at the offices in
52:01the US are highly loaded with aluminum.
52:05And so it should be in boron glass or some
52:07other thing, or it should be a dry powder that
52:10you reconstitute at the time of injection, or it should
52:17be very short way between producing it and using it.
52:21And so we use a variety of that.
52:24Paying attention to that, I think very unique for
52:27us is also our approach to aluminum toxicity.
52:32We found out that through a German researcher, a
52:36wonderful gifted brain researcher and a medical doctor, a
52:44woman actually, and she did research on the ionic
52:48footbath and showed that 30 minutes ionic footbath, it's
52:54feet are suspending in water and there's a coil
52:56in there, and that it leads to a two
53:01to 400 fold release of aluminum through the urine
53:06and the patient within the next few days afterwards.
53:09And so we tried to diagnose aluminum toxicity in everybody,
53:15which is really the big overlooked toxin of our time
53:21that Chris Exley and other researchers have shown is the
53:24main cause of the brain deterioration in the US.
53:28It's aluminum really, in combination with Lyme disease
53:33and the Epstein Barr and the herpes viruses
53:35and all that is more secondary.
53:37And mercury is always in the pie.
53:40So we diagnose that we may put
53:44people on a very strict mercury detox
53:46program, which involves plant derived compounds.
53:50It involves giving binders like chlorella, but it
53:54also involves intravenous therapies that we very carefully
53:59select from what's available, and we use compounds
54:05that are difficult to find that are very
54:09highly effective in getting mercury out.
54:12And just maybe as a reminder, aluminum detox is
54:17a completely different animal from detoxing mercury and lead.
54:21Lead toxicity is sort of one of my more recent hobbies.
54:25It overlooks how huge the burden of
54:29the American society is with lead.
54:32It's in the bone.
54:34If you do just a urine test or hair test, it
54:37won't show, but it causes osteoporosis and shrinking of the bone.
54:41And when you get older, it slowly
54:43gets released and causes reverse toxicity.
54:47That is very profound.
54:49And so we're looking at all that.
54:51And so, pretty much every patient that I see walks
54:54out with a strong detox program, which usually will take
55:00a year or two or three to get to an
55:02endpoint with that or to reasonable level with that.
55:06But the treatment results are dramatic when
55:09you approach this a proper way.
55:14Wow.
55:15So you do a lot of unique and very powerful
55:18treatments there, and a lot of things that people aren't
55:22even aware of that are affecting their bodies.
55:24Then, of course, there is the whole area of
55:27psychology where I've developed my own techniques, the PK work
55:32and the MFT mental field therapy.
55:35They made targeted approaches that address trauma
55:39and conflicts and patients and unresolved issues.
55:42And then in addition to that, once a week
55:47in the office, I do family constellation work.
55:50That's the work to really heal ancestral trauma.
55:54So that's offered to my patient.
55:56Not everybody takes me up on that offer,
56:00but it's fantastic when people do it.
56:03The treatment results are beautiful, right? Yeah.
56:07It's powerful to combine all of those, too.
56:11Okay, so I have one last question for you.
56:13Today, in today's age, what is your view on
56:18the electromagnetic fields that people are exposed to on
56:21a daily basis, and what are some simple actions
56:25that they can take to limit their exposures?
56:30Yeah, I mentioned already the biology of wifi.
56:37The deepest level of what it
56:39does, everybody is exposed to it.
56:45And so it's really a
56:46question of minimizing our exposure.
56:48So the first issue is that the wifi router people
56:52have at their home is a cell phone tower.
56:56Sort of in the wifi router, when it's switched
56:58on, is a transmitter of very huge, unpredictable amounts
57:04of radiation that covers the entire home.
57:07So this one.
57:08So the wifi router needs to be off when it's not
57:12used, and it definitely needs to be off at night.
57:15And the best solution is to get rid of
57:17it and get a wired connection, which is not
57:20expensive, and is easy to do, but that's a
57:24tough one to the American to convince them.
57:29And many people really say, I'd rather die
57:31of cancer than give up my wifi router.
57:36So that's really sort of what
57:38we are up against with that.
57:40And then there is the effects
57:41of dirty electricity, underground currents.
57:45That's sort of the normal
57:47electric currents in the household.
57:49There tend to build up strengths of
57:54field in different areas in the house.
57:58And if your sleeping location happens to be in
58:01that part of a field, you have no chance.
58:04That's the most common cause of insomnia and
58:07chronic, huge participator in developing chronic illness.
58:13And so the best solution is to switch
58:17diffusers off at night for the entire house.
58:20That has cured a lot of
58:22people from their chronic illness.
58:23But again, a lesser solution of that is
58:29a switch that electricians know how to install.
58:33It's called a demand switch.
58:35That's a wireless tool that you have by your bedside,
58:38and you push a button that switches off all the
58:42fuses that control the circuitry of your bedroom.
58:47And that's a wonderful tool.
58:51And again, not every patient takes me up on that.
58:56So people really say they rather like the convenience.
59:00And I said, well, really, all I'm asking you
59:02is to buy a $3 flashlight, to put it
59:05by a nightstand, and to have this thing with
59:09the button there cost a couple of install that.
59:13It's not astronomically expensive.
59:16So that's another tool.
59:18Then, of course, there is geopathic stress.
59:22Geopathic stress is radiation that
59:25comes from the earth.
59:26It's very, very common in the Seattle area because
59:31we are on a group of fault lines that
59:34run under our bums through the houses and through
59:38the clinics and through the environment.
59:44When your sleeping location is on one
59:47of those lines, you will get sick.
59:52I'll give you an example.
59:53So this was a woman that came in once for treatment.
59:59She had brain cancer and large
60:02tumor in the brain, malignant tumor.
60:04And so I diagnosed with my test that she
60:08was sleeping on one of those stress lines and
60:10that she needed to change that location.
60:12And so she went home, didn't contact me for a while.
60:17And she called me like after a few months and said,
60:20Dr. Klinghardt, I got good news.
60:22My tumor is now shrunk to the size of a cherry.
60:25It was the size of an orange.
60:28And so after a few months, it
60:30was completely gone without any further treatment.
60:33And then a few years later, the sad news came,
60:36and she called me without ever seeing her in between.
60:39She called me and said, listen, I
60:40just want to tell you my son.
60:42At the time of the one consult I had
60:45with her, the son was like, four years old.
60:48And so she just told me, this
60:49is now two or three years later.
60:51The son must be six or seven.
60:53She said, you know, my son just died.
60:56He had the same brain tumor that I had.
60:59And then I asked her, okay, wait a moment. Okay.
61:02When I asked you two years ago to move
61:05your sleeping locations, did you actually do that?
61:08You said, yeah, I did it.
61:09I moved into the location where my son was sleeping.
61:13And then what you do with your son?
61:15Well, I moved him to where I was sleeping.
61:19So he was sleeping now in the same
61:21location where she got a brain tumor.
61:23He got the same brain tumor and died from it.
61:26And so people tend to have a lot of
61:30common sense or intelligence, and so we need to
61:34kind of be a bit more aware.
61:37So the sleeping location can be a huge impact
61:41in terms of the overall electromagnetic exposures, or this
61:47may be ionizing radiation from the earth.
61:50So that's one set of tools that we use
61:53to diagnose and do simple things like this.
61:56But then, on a more physical level, yes, we
61:59do have proof that the protective clothing works.
62:03Shirts that have metalized threads in
62:07them, they do reflect wifi.
62:10And so we have different companies.
62:16There's also the sleep sanctuary, we call it.
62:21It looks like a mosquito net that people
62:23put over their bed that really hugely reduces
62:27the incoming wifi from the neighborhood.
62:31Assuming people have switched off their own wifi router
62:35and dealt with the electric fields in the bedroom,
62:40calmed that down, then the sleep sanctuary is incredibly
62:43effective in helping people to get the health back.
62:47There's a company that there's probably others,
62:50but this is called littletreegroup.com, that makes
62:55custom makes those for people.
62:58There's blankets and things, but I'm a strong fan of
63:03the shirts that cover, like, the large body parts.
63:07It's the overall body surfaces that
63:10are exposed to it that matter.
63:12You don't have to kind of COVID everything, but
63:15the large body parts should be covered with it.
63:18And so I work with that.
63:20I walk with that.
63:22The things that are available are not
63:26super expensive, and they're extremely effective.
63:29I know there's people argue, oh, no, this cannot work.
63:33And it's bad physics, and blah, blah, blah.
63:35Well, I've done it for 30 years.
63:38It works.
63:39And then there's internal things that people can do.
63:43There's certain herbs like rosemary, there is propolis that
63:49have been shown to be hugely radio protective.
63:52And so I always test people
63:55with my technique for those.
63:57And so there's very few patients of mine that
64:01are not on rosemary tincture or on propolis tincture.
64:05So those are the key tools to protect
64:10the cells from the incoming wifi radiation.
64:14And of course, I have a whole day lecture on this, but
64:18these are sort of some of the key pieces to that.
64:23That's excellent.
64:24And we'll be sure to put up all your information, too
64:29and the resources you have and the links to your website
64:32so everybody can find it or if they want to dig
64:35a little bit more, get more information on it as well.
64:39Yeah, thanks.
64:40Michele, it was nice connecting with you. Yeah.
64:44Thank you so much for taking the
64:45time today and telling us about your
64:48whole process and your different modalities.
64:51So I greatly appreciate it and I'm thankful
64:54to share it with my audience, too.
64:56But people shouldn't forget that life is good.
65:00Life is precious and very enjoyable.
65:05And so let's keep it that way and make life easy.
65:09There's just a few things that need to be addressed
65:12and then life will be good for most people. Exactly.
65:16I agree.
65:17Just bringing them back more
65:18into balance with themselves.
65:22Well, thank you very much.
65:25Thank you